Quiet HDD for Time Machine Backup?

mr88cet wrote:

From what I’ve googled up on the topic, SSDs are more robust if physical abuse is a potential issue, but the reverse if held stationary the majority of the time. The failure mode for SSDs is that, with 3 bits (or possibly more) per bit cell, the difference in charge between adjacent values is pretty tiny, and can degrade over time.

There is a lot of misinformation on the internet that you can find if you look.

SSDs are more durable than HDDs. Based on guidelines from our enterprise systems in operational use at a facility that has many (thousands) systems running 24/7 in support of spacecraft programs, we plan for 3-5 year lifetimes for HDDs and 5-10 year lifetimes for SSDs.

Our mission critical RAID systems are comprised 100% of SSDs. Systems on our spacecraft are all solid state.

From my own anecdotal experience with a small business, we have utilized about 60 external HDDs over the past 10 years and about 10 external SSDs. None of the SSDs have failed so far. Three of the HDDs (about 5%) failed after several years of use.

mr88cet wrote:

From what I’ve googled up on the topic, SSDs are more robust if physical abuse is a potential issue, but the reverse if held stationary the majority of the time. The failure mode for SSDs is that, with 3 bits (or possibly more) per bit cell, the difference in charge between adjacent values is pretty tiny, and can degrade over time.

No HDD or SSD last forever, plus things like hardware and operator error happen.

The trick to having a robust backup strategy, is to use a combination of different drives and backup software.

For example: 1 Large HDD or SSD for Time Machine and 1 or 2 SSDs for Clones using CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper.

I personally never needed to recover single files from Time Machine, so I stopped using Time Machine and noisy HDDs a few years ago. These days I do 2 alternating Weekly and a Monthly clone using CarbonCopyClone on different SSDs. Then I only briefly connect those SSDs to my Mac when they need to be updated.

OP wrote " I’m not confident that off-the-shelf SSDs are sufficiently robust for long-term storage,"

OWC could be a good place to purchase a Good Enclosure and get a matching SSD drive for the enclosure

As perviously mentioned, SSD drive are quit and do have a long life

Mechanically drives by their very nature have moving mechanically moving parts which do fail over time

Where SSD drives are Solid State drives with no moving parts

They do ship Internationally

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Regardless if you use a SSD drive or the Mechanical Drive

For future purposes

To truly protect your non replaceable Data

Have a 3-2-1 Rescue Plan in place and always current

3 Backups using 2 methods and 1 off site incase of natural disaster or un-natural disaster.

Each of the above should be done to a Dedicated Single Purposed External Drive 

Below link is intended to augment what TM Backup does 

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steve626 wrote:

Systems on our spacecraft are all solid state.

Otherwise they'd be gyros. 😄

But more importantly, you've been holding out on me. Why is this the first I've heard about spacecraft programs? Which programs? We need to talk shop. The Water Cooler would probably be a better venue.

FWIW, SSDs have a slightly lower failure rate than HDDs. Both can and will fail eventually. Obviously SSDs are quieter.

FWIW, I have a number of failed HDDs, so far no failed SSDs. Personally I won't purchase another HDD in my lifetime.

If I put backups in a bank safe-deposit box, they would be safe from me as well, I hate going to the bank. 🤔

Good to know

Though the data centres probably have a Redundancy Backup Plan in place " This is one reason that data centers use HDDs in general for this purpose "

I don't think I've been to my bank in over three years. I was just making a joke in any case. :)

FWIW, it's worthwhile to keep a fair amount of free space so files don't keep being written to the same areas.